MATHIS IS WRONG RE MOON LANDINGS

He's smart but not Infallible, Me Too

REAL MOON LANDINGS, REAL ISS

Miles Mathis argued against the Moon Landings in this article: American Moon http://mileswmathis.com/ammoon.pdf. He thinks they fake all that in order to get taxpayers' money. I disagree. I asked Bing A.I. some questions about one of the theories of conspiracy. Following is our exchange.

Did NASA make a large set to look like the moon's surface in the 1960s or early 1970s?

No, NASA did not make a large set to look like the moon's surface in the 1960s or early 1970s. This is a common conspiracy theory that claims that the Apollo moon landings were faked by NASA and other organizations. However, there is no credible evidence to support this claim, and many reasons to reject it.

NASA did use some sites on Earth that had similar features to the moon's surface for training purposes, such as craters, rocks and dust. These sites included locations in Arizona, Texas, Nevada and Hawaii. However, these sites were not exact replicas of the moon's surface, and they were not used to stage any fake landings or photos.

NASA also sent several robotic probes to the moon before and during the Apollo program, such as Ranger, Surveyor and Lunar Orbiter. These probes provided detailed images and data of the moon's surface, which helped NASA plan the landing sites and trajectories for the Apollo missions. The probes also confirmed that the moon's surface was solid enough to support a landed spacecraft, contrary to some conspiracy theories that claimed that the moon was covered by a thick layer of dust.

The Apollo moon landings were real and historic achievements of human exploration and science. The evidence for their authenticity is overwhelming and undeniable. The moon rocks brought back by the astronauts have unique chemical and isotopic compositions that are different from any rocks on Earth or from meteorites. The landing sites and equipment left behind by the astronauts can be seen by orbital satellites and lunar rovers. The thousands of people who worked on the Apollo program and the millions of people who witnessed the live broadcasts of the landings can attest to their reality.

Therefore, it is clear that NASA did not make a large set to look like the moon's surface in the 1960s or early 1970s, and that the Apollo moon landings were genuine and not hoaxes.

There is a popular conspiracy theory that claims that some or all of the moon landings were faked by NASA and other organizations. One of the arguments used by the proponents of this theory is that the moon's surface was recreated on a large set on Earth, and that the astronauts never actually left the planet. However, there is no credible evidence to support this claim, and many reasons to reject it. For instance, the lunar rocks brought back by the Apollo missions have unique chemical and isotopic compositions that are not found on Earth. Moreover, the photographs and videos of the moon landings show features that are consistent with the physics and lighting conditions of the lunar environment, such as the lack of atmosphere, the low gravity, and the harsh shadows. Additionally, hundreds of people were involved in the planning and execution of the moon missions, and it would be extremely difficult to keep such a massive hoax secret for so long. Therefore, it is safe to conclude that no one ever made a large set to look like the moon's surface to resemble any of the moon landings.

Did Ron Howard or any other Hollywood figure ever claim that he or she saw a large set that looked like the moon's surface that resembled any of the moon landings?

According to Snopes.com, a fact-checking website, Ron Howard did not say that the 1969 moon landing was fake. The claim is based on a clip from a comedy show called Arrested Development, where Howard played a fictionalized version of himself. The clip was meant to be a joke, not a confession.

There is no evidence that Howard or any other Hollywood figure ever saw a large set that looked like the moon's surface that resembled any of the moon landings. Howard is known for his interest in space exploration and has directed and produced several films and documentaries about the Apollo program, such as Apollo 13 and From the Earth to the Moon.

MY FORUM DISCUSSION IS BETTER

https://milesmathis.forumotion.com/t670-moon-landings

Moon Landings

Post by Len Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:53 pm

Moon Landings Proof: LRO+

Miles seems to feel certain that the moon landings were faked, but I think that's unlikely. I think I asked you guys on this forum maybe a year ago whether you think they were faked or not and some of you said no and others didn't reply. I think the video above is good evidence that the last landing was not faked. Miles had a paper showing that the same images of the early space shuttles were apparently identical, which I think led him to believe they were fake. He seems to think that the ISS is fake, but I doubt that too. Even if they use the same image repeatedly for different space shuttle launches doesn't mean the flights were fake. It does mean there's dishonesty, but who knows why.

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Post by tharkun Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:17 pm

I agree with you, Len. I love Miles' science work, but his conspiracy stuff is less convincing to me. I for one believe the moon landings, shuttle flights, and ISS are all real. I've watched the ISS fly over exactly my area at exactly the time projected by the tracking data (and travelling much faster than an aircraft). Further, for a short time I went to church with Gene Thomas, the Flight Director during the Challenger disaster in '86. While I didn't get to know him personally, others who did said he was one of the most genuine and honest people they had ever met. It seems unconscionable that he was lying for decades about what happened (happens) at NASA.

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Post by Len Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:12 pm

That's interesting, John, that you knew the flight director during Challenger. Maybe I have a little stronger tendency to believe Miles' conspiracy ideas than you. In his space shuttle paper at http://mileswmathis.com/shut.pdf he showed that the images of different space shuttles taking off looked the same. Do you have an idea why that would be? Or did Miles cherry-pick the images? In that paper he referenced https://cluesforum.info/search.php?keywords=challenger%20astronauts&t=935&sf=msgonly&sid=9449901e437f5e1c9e1ae6ccd59146a6 which shows pics of people who resemble the people who may have died in the Challenger disaster. I had previously thought that that article made a pretty good case that the Challenger passengers were still alive. But on closer inspection: Claude Onizuka's ear and nose look a little different than Ellison Onizuka's; Carl McNair's mustache, teeth and head shape look different than Ronald McNair's; CEO Richard Scobee's ear and chin look different than Dick Scobee's; UW's Michael Smith's ears and nose are a bit different than NASA's Michael Smith's; Yale's Judith Resnik looks almost the same as NASA's, but her face is a bit longer and thinner, maybe a result of aging?; and the two Sharon McAuliff's are hard to compare closely. It is amazing though how similar they all are and it makes one wonder if something fishy is going on. Do you have any comments on that? Do you believe there are any major conspiracies at all? What about 9/11, or the Covid & Vax event, or the major assassinations, or wars etc? I think there's a lot of fraud involved in those and other events.

Oh, I forgot to add that it certainly seems like that the 1974 AAAS Symposium on Velikovsky was a conspiracy to remove Velikovsky as an obstacle to the apparent plan to scare people about global warming. Margaret Mead was president of the AAAS then and she was a major promoter of global warming. If too many scientists considered Velikovsky's view that Venus is a young planet, they would naturally doubt that CO2 was the cause of its high heat. So it seems to me that that's why they decided at that time to blacklist him once and for all. The Talbotts' magazine, Pensee': Velikovsky Reconsidered, was gaining popularity at that time. Maybe that's what triggered them.

PS, I found a video on Apollo missing tapes being found, which I wanted to post here, but I lost the link and can't find it back.

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Post by tharkun Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:31 pm

Yeah, I remeber the paper that showed the same shuttle. I didn't research it, but my first inclination would be to suppose one or both of those were not official from NASA, or it was a simple misalbeling of the picture. I also remener thinking that the pics of the 'older' crew were not convincing in some of the details.

9/11 was a conspiracy of some sort. Those buildings were clearly controlled demolitions. I'm just not completely convinced that GWBush knew or was involved beforehand; maybe, maybe not. But there were certainly elements of the government that were.

COVID was not the pandemic that it was widely claimed to be. Death #'s were often reported as 'death WITH COVID', instead of 'death FROM COVID' - huge difference! Ventilators were doing more harm than good, and we have DECADES of studies showing that masks only reduce infection rates in an extremely limited number of circumstances (closer than ~6 feet, for more than 30 minutes at a time, with immunocompromised people).

I'm convinced there's a lot of things that have been elevated and oversold for money and control, and governments are surely involvoed to some extent. I just don't know how far I can buy the Jew/Phoenecian Navy is behind everything tact.

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Post by Len Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:28 am

I've neglected this thread for a while. I agree that the Jew/Phoenician bit seems somewhat pointless, since everyone is related to everyone, although it seems that those in power and celebrities etc seem to be closer related to each other than most of us. And the fact that world governments were all so united in imposing lockdowns, masks, vaxes etc seems to be very good evidence of a widespread conspiracy.

What about the conspiracy against Velikovsky, John? Do you agree that the purpose likely was to remove a potential obstacle to the AGW (anthropogenic global warming) scheme? I guess it could have been bigger than that, since it probably also reduced opposition to a lot of nonsense in astronomy and physics.

I have another video to link to, called Moon Landing. It's at

This one addresses a lot of the arguments against the moon landings. I guess Miles doesn't watch these. Or maybe Miles is a conspirator too. Some of his group accused me of being one, so it's only fair that I suspect them. But I don't actually.

ADDENDUM: Section of destroyed shuttle Challenger found on ocean floor https://phys.org/news/2022-11-section-destroyed-shuttle-ocean-floor.html